Yes v .1.1.3 this was a rapid update to December’s v.1.1.2 to correct a number of glitches and I had forgotten it was necessary. Of course it would have been in development though not signed off before the Covid restrictions hit .My main point was I was trying to distinguish product updates ( why I chose that word ) meaning Bartok, Rossini and Vivaldi as distinct from Mosaic.
1.1.3 is both a minor product update, and a minor Mosaic update.
Ernos that is just a bit of point scoring. I am well aware that Mosaic is implemented within the products. What BillK is writing about is , as forecast by James Cook above in this thread :
Such updates are generally not that frequent irrespective of any Covid impact.
Mosaic 1.1.3 does contain:
Playback: Fixed an issue which would cause some DSD files to be skipped
It is not yet the desired fix, but they are working on it.
The skipping of DSD / dsf tracks is fixed, as least as far as my experience is concerned. The loss of the first half second of a track hasn’t been.
Cheers,
Mike.
My issue has nothing to do with files being skipped, it’s the DAC not playing the first .84 second of a track if it has to switch from PCM to DSD mode, which happens a lot as whenever the data stream stops the DAC reverts to expecting PCM.
While product updates are indeed infrequent, most would consider 14.5 months within the realm of “expected” for a bug fix for an issue that I would expect may affect many.
I wouldn’t be as antsy were I not concerned that dCS might discontinue Rossini before they issue a fix, and they don’t issue fixes for obsolete products, so I would be stuck with the issue forever.
It’s not impossible to work around, just a bit painful (the easiest way is to allow the Rossini to pull songs from a server rather than send songs to Rossini.)
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Just noting it’s now 15.5 months. 
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I’m still waiting for dCS to respond directly to this issue…kinda gave up in that Quixotic quest for a while. Every time I miss the first fractional second of a DSD track my ire gets stoked. I have a Vivaldi DAC/Clock and upsampler, and it is kind embarrassing to tell my audiophile friends I can’t get this fixed, have heard nothing directly from dCS regarding it, and I’ve just accepted it.
Lots of investigation and brainpower expended on this in this thread and one I started from fellow users, but nary a word from dCS.
I did get a solution third hand thru some friends in the industry - load the DSD file on a stick and listen to it that way. Yeah, right.
So, the $64k question, will the $9k upgrade to the DAC fix this? This has to be known issue at dCS and if they didn’t fix it in the upgrade that’s not comforting.
Another impassioned plea for dCS to come up on the radar relative to this. You out there James Cook?
Slainte,
Mitch
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The problem is dCS promised to fix it in “the next Rossini release.”
There have been no updates since then, and the fact that the Apex is called “Rossini Apex 2.0” tells me that no software update is coming even with the hardware upgrade.
I honestly am hoping the hardware upgrade gives them the chance to add additional hardware they might need to fix this, assuming they can’t do it in software, but dCS’ silence on the subject after almost 20 months seems to point towards the eventual outcome.
I’m sitting here looking at northwards of $70k in DCS gear that can’t handle a switch from normal sampling to DSD (and vice versa) without a hiccup. I just upgraded my speakers to Alexia 2s, and while the dealer (they handle dCS as well) was here he crawled behind the rack and verified all the connections are correct, and scratched his head when he heard the issue…
You up on the radar James Cook, or anyone else from dCS?
While not absolving dCS from having to solve this issue, I do highly recommend that you look at adding Roon into your system; this issue does not exist when using Roon.
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Anpuc-that solution has been offered before and if dCS would be willing to pay the monthly fee as their solution I’d be all for it. I’m perfectly happy with Mosaic as my means to access Quboz, and for all the money I’ve spent, Mosaic and my dCS gear by rights should not need third party software to work properly. Yeah, I could afford the monthly fee, but the principle dictates otherwise…
As an aside, I’ve been perusing other posts and activity here for the day, and dCS responded directly to a couple other posts so they are monitoring this board, and apparently have not seen this long thread, or the other one I started or are ignoring me. I’ve asked them directly for some input on this issue several times over the last year, and have yet to receive any communication from dCS. That is disappointing.
So, here is another plea for dCS to tell me if this issue is a systemic one and if it can be solved without shelling out another $14.99/month for a subscription to Roon, which I need for no other reason.
Cheers,
Mitch
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And, here is my thread, started a year ago, asking dCS for some help.
Using a subpar sound quality third party software is not a solution.
dCS Vivaldi sounds better with minimsrver + Mosaic (the combo recommended by dCS)
Also, Roon can’t navigate by folder, which is mandatory if you have 20000+ classical music albums, minimserver + Mosaic is the only reasonable way.
Lumin, Esoteric, and Linn apps play gapless perfectly.
If you guys like Roon, perfect, but it cannot be mandatory to use dCS products.
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It is not mandatory, but it just works perfectly. Subpar sound quality is just your assessment.
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I apologize, English is not my language. Now I see it can be read as rude statement, not my intention.
I should have said “not as good as” and “in my system, to my ears”.
No need to apologize, Manel.
dCS made its products Roon Ready. Roon is bit perfect.
If you hear difference in sound quality between Roon and Mosaic, it might mean you are having a network bottleneck causing it. Or a NAS problem. Anyway, also Roon is playing gapless.
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Here is a bit of context to understand my growing level of frustration.
I started my journey with dCS with a Puccini SACD/CD player and UClock that stopped working when I changed my Apple devices. Turns out the UClock was not compatible with newer Apple operating systems. So, I packed it up and sent it to them for an upgrade, $1,000 worth of upgrade. COVID hit, the factory shut down and I was dead in the water.
dCS America graciously intervened, and got me a very fair price on a DeBussy. I was so taken by the improvement in sound quality I bought a Rosinni DAC, and planned to use the UClock with it (I’d had it returned unmodified). Since the UClock’s issue was with compatibility with Apple OS, and the clock function worked perfectly, I was gonna have a pretty sweet system.
Well, the Rosinni was delivered a couple days before my Wilson Sasha DAWs were to be delivered and installed. I never opened the Rossini box. The Wilson dealer brought with him a Vivaldi DAC, clock and Upsampler, a couple days later which I bought.
I’ve been on the audio merry go round for around the last 30 years, grabbing for the brass ring every time I passed it. I’ve spent way more than I can remember on audio components. About 2 years ago, as I was about to retire I decided to get off the merry go round, bite the bullet, and just buy the best of everything I wanted/needed to enjoy my system and focus on other things.
One of those things is playing guitar. One of my goals was to build a system in front of which I can sit, and play along as if the artists are in the room with me. The system I have allows me to do that, other than the front end of songs being truncated. If you were at a concert, and the mixing board had this kinda glitch you’d probably not be too happy and might even leave.
A final analogy. Suppose you bought your dream car, a Mercedes SL63. It was the best car you ever owned, other than in second gear between 2,000 and 2,500 rpm the engine stalled. And then suppose this was a systemic problem and others were having the same issue. Do ya think MB would just shrug it off, or tell their customers a third party might be able to tinker with the software and make it better?
Here is the original thread on my Puccini problems.
just FYI, I just finished listening to Roxette Wish I Could Fly from my NAS in normal sampling and then my Mosaic playlist had Bush Come Down in Hi-rez via Quboz. Bingo, you guessed it, I missed the first three beats in the song.
Mitch
Manel, if you didn’t realise, Mosaic Control actually has no part in the sound quality at all. Once you select a track or album to play using Mosaic Control, the dCS network board will go and directly fetch the tracks from your MinimSever (or Qobuz, or wherever).
So, when tracks are playing, Mosaic Control only receives periodic updates from the network board on the progress of the track playback, and other system status information (such as volume level etc.). It has nothing to do with the sound quality.
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I understand. It['s] definitely is an issue that needs resolution. 