Rossini + Verdi = ❓

Say you have a Rossini Player/DAC and want native DSD (from SACDs), would it work to connect a Verdi transport? Or would that be like grafting the neck of a giraffe onto the body of a hippopotamus?

Jeff G

Jeff, SACDs played on the Verdi only output digitally over its Firewire ports (as dCS proprietary encrypted DSD over IEEE 1394), which obviously the Rossini doesn’t support. So, yeah, it’s not going to work :laughing:

If you’re not looking to spend on a newer SACD-capable dCS transport, then your best option these days is to just losslessly rip your SACDs and stream them into your Rossini.

Ok, thx, that makes sense.

Jeff

There is another option: Get this:

And a DVD/SACD player that can output a DSD stream over HDMI - eg all Oppo’s but I presume most Sony’s etc

The box above takes HDMI and puts the audio on a SPDIF output. It will do redbook, high res PCM AND will also do DSD over DoP. I have this box and checked this all works with an Oppo BDP-93.

If you get a Sony BDP-S5100 for $30 on ebay (I got one basically brand new) you can use it for that AND rip SACDs to DSD files. Just checked the manual: the BDP-S5100 should work perfectly for this (though I have not tested this myself).

This is interesting, thanks. But candidly I have doubts re SQ. I’ve done experiments with different transports; my impression is the quality of the transport makes a considerable difference. At least a nontrivial one. People say “bits is bits.” But bits ain’t bits until the laser Hoovers them up and then a logic board changes them into an electrical signal. I’m guessing the signal produced by a Rossini and an old Sony have some differences.

Bottom line, I wonder if I would get better SQ from the Rossini reading Redbook or DSD transmitted as you describe. Curious to get your thoughts.

Jeff

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I don’t say bits are bits, it does matter. I venture what would matter the most is clocking - get a transport that can take the 44.1KHz from the dCS clock. Unfortunately, if you want max quality from SACDs played on a transport, your only option is dCS. If redbook is ok, the CEC transports (eg TL3n) will take a dCS clock input - and possibly others.

I kind of agree with u.

In my previous P S Audio stack once I bought their sacd transport I was using that 90% of the time as digital source.

So when I planned to upgrade to dCS I had to plan to buy the dCS transport. It took time to save for that and now I am broke (though a super happy one - ha ha ha).

To me streaming etc is good for convenience / exploration. But for critical listening transport with matching Dac is best digital source.

Regards,
Sourav

Miguel,

Thx for your response. I think we’re on the same page. But there’s optimum quality and what one can pragmatically do. So I’ll pose this question:
Suppose DSD via the setup you describe is A, and PCM via the Rossini player/DAC is B. Which do you think will give (on average) the higher SQ?

Thx,
Jeff

I am not sure I understand the question, and I am pretty sure I don’t know the answer if this is what you’re asking:

A- SACD in DVD player → HDMI/coax box → Rossini coax input (which will play the DSD stream)

B- Same disc but reading the redbook layer since the Rossini player cannot read SACDs? Or a CD transport reading the redbook layer?

I don’t know which would sound better but I presume A might.

Sorry if I was unclear.

A is simply the configuration you described. The result being DSD to Rossini coax.

B is sticking the same disc in the Rossini (bear in mind I have a player/DAC) where it will automatically read the redbook layer. Because as you correctly point out, it cannot read the SACD layer.

Candidly option A is inexpensive enough as to be worth a try. But given the importance of transport, I really wonder, even though it’s DSD, if it will sound better than B.