Rossini into what other components?

This sort of follows on from a previous post.

Replacing/improving my current Naim setup. Tried the Bartok, tried the Rossini, prefer the Rossini + clock.

But into what? Demoed with ATC SCM40a’s - very nice, but mid-range not quite all it could be and soundstage a little flat. Then into SCM50a’s - clearer, opened out soundstage. Excellent. As it should be, at that price. But haven’t tried anything else at similar prices, so what would people also consider?

Given I like the Naim PRAT which the Rossini duplicates and extends, am considering using Naim 252 + 250DR or maybe 300DR into either Focal Sopra’s or Harbeth’s: are these choices people have fallen in love with, or what would you want to audition?

I started out with Naim pre/amps and have a history with the brand since the early days when Julian Vereker was alive and the shop/factory was in Salt Lane Salisbury. That is 45 years ago.

I honestly think that a complete Naim system is the best solution within its own context. If you move out of it, for example with a dCS front end, then the internal balance and the “philosophy” and even technology ( e.g. the star earthing) of the complete Naim system is compromised. Hence your comment about the 40As. It isn’t them, it is the mating of them and dCS with Naim that is the problem. I have been there. So I would not recommend any further Naim expenditure in your case unless you sell the dCS and go for a Naim streamer/DAC/power amp with passive speakers instead .

The Focals and Harbeths are so dissimilar that I cannot imagine why you are considering them as alternatives. If you have heard them both then you can only like one and not the other. You cannot do this kind of thing as a paper exercise. You need to get out there and listen.

I would keep the dCS, keep the ATC 40As and find a good preamp to link the two. I happen to use tubes and would highly recommend my choice of EAR Yoshino 868. Otherwise if going with SS preamps then it is a difficult area with few reasonably priced “stars”. Some idea of budget is required to start.

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20 year plus Naim user who has climbed the ranks with every pre/power until settling with the 552/500 15 years ago. Both units have just returned from a recap and DR and will be good for the next 15 years. Vinyl has always been a LP12 however my interest in digital started back in 2007 with my first demo of the newly introduced Linn Klimax DS. In 2011, after listening to both of Naim’s digital offerings, first the HDX and then the NDS, I made the move from CD to digital with the Linn Klimax DS/1. That was upgraded with the /2 and finally /3 until early this year when a change was made.

I demoed and purchased a Bartok which was to be used in a different room and for headphone only duties. Its performance so impressed me that I returned it to the dealer and moved to a Rossini + Rossini Master Clock. After 9 years the dCS has now replaced the Linn KDS in my Naim system which has now become 552/500 fronted by the Rossini and LP12.

I have many Naim friends who have gone with the ND555 digital front end when it was released last year. I have now been told there are many in the UK (I am in the States) who after a year have traded in their ND555 and moved onto the Rossini. My understanding is that all run full Naim systems however now with dCS front ends.

I have found there is complete synergy with the Rossini exhibiting quite a bit of good old Naim PRaT. I also agree with Pete that the Naim sound is fundamentally a NAC + NAP. The pre and amp together make the Naim magic. There has been a long thread on the forum echoing this opinion. The best quote was from the moderator Richard Dane who explained that NAC is Naim Amplifier Control. In other words one (the amp) requires the other (pre).

I know quite a few who happily run Naim pre’s into ATC active speakers, and I know quite a few who have tried to get by without using a Naim pre and have tried something like a Rossini directly into a NAP500. They have returned back to using the Naim pre. Ask Dunc on this forum who tried his Rossini direct into his 500 and was not happy with the results.

As to some of the alternatives you have mentioned I can only give you my personal opinion having owned a Nait 5, 282,252,552,250,300,500. The 252 was my least favorite pre. There are enough postings on the Naim forum to show that I am not alone in that opinion. The 300 amp is wonderful, and the 500 has made a quantum leap with the DR to become one of the best amps out there today. You will never find ANY complaints with the 552 which is universally loved, while the 282 imho is the great vfm in the pre lineup.

Of course a demo is key.
Good luck on your journey.

Best
Gregg

Interesting comments - @glevethan into what speakers?

Rossini and clock was straight into the active ATC’s…

My journey was Proac Super Tablettes > Naim nSats > Naim Allaes > Kudos Titans

Rossini (initially without, but now with clock) > Accuphase C2450 > Accuphase A48 > Dynaudio Confidence 30.

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Wise words. The only way to succeed in this hobby.

Hi
As Gregg has mentioned, i also run a naim 552 and 500dr, the 552 is about to be DR’ed and both boxes serviced. I find the rossini goes very well with this pairing, i have tried removing the pre amp, but it didnt last long, as it just lost its dynamics and sounded a bit flat in comparison.
I have also had a 300dr amp, which again was nice, but the 500 pairing, go so well together, for me i will be staying with them.
I did try vitus, the sia025 mk2, again nice, but i missed what the naim pair did together, but i could see why maybe someone else might prefer the vitus, especially if classical music is all you listen too.

Listened to a variety of speakers today - Kudos 707’s good, but Dynaudio Confidence 50’s were epic.

I vote for Rossini directly connected to ATC 50A - it will be the basis of serious system. Late you can add Rossini clock and preamp to your taste and the order you need