Yes, you’ve been a lot about using the Clock, thanks. From what I understand there are no clear changes but only better focus. At this point I am left wondering about the second ethernet output which here I learn should not work, however I confirm that it does.
Pino, what Phil and the Rossini manual are telling you is not that it will not work, but that it has been designed for a future use. Therefore they cannot support its use for random purposes not envisaged by them. They are simply being professional.
this is exactly what I don’t understand, because I believe what Phil says. I don’t want it to be badly connected.
I am not sure “badly” is the right phrase but you want it correctly connected.
- Rhein is a USB streamer.
- Rossini is a network streamer DAC.
- Rhein should be connected to the internet (in) but by USB ( out). That is what it is designed to do so that local files stored on it and internet sources such as streamed services can be accessed.This is why I provided a link to the user manual where this is illustrated.
- Rossini is designed to be used with a network device with UPnP storage for local files. It will then also have access to the internet.
- However as well as the above, Rossini has the convenience of a USB input port so that Rhein can be used as intended.
- However , you do not like USB and want to have network connection.
- If Rhein is not connected to Rossini by USB it is incompatible mas it does not possess enough network ports. The one RJ45 port that it has is not intended for connection to a DAC but to internet. You are trying to get around this by incorrectly trying to connect the Rhein network port intended for internet to Rossini instead. You can get sound via this but only for your stored files. You are therefore trying get internet access by using the second network port on Rossini connected direct to your router. This is not correct for the reasons already explained.
As I have already explained Rhein is the wrong tool for what you want.You are trying to fiddle around to get it to do what it is not appropriate for. To properly use Rossini you need NAS storage with MinimServer ( or Asset) software installed instead of Rhein. This can range from IT type server units from e.g. Synology or QNAP to units specifically designed for audio purposes and which have sufficient network ports to allow simultaneous internet connection and connection to a device like Rossini. Look at, say, Melco N1 or N5 or Innuos Zenith Mk.3 or Statement. Rhein Plus also has two network ports but what you are doing suggests that you do not have this model. Even with this it is unclear if it has UPnP capability and if it could be controlled via Mosaic. My understanding is that it would need one of the apps that Silent Angel suggest.
Alternatively keep Rhein that you have and use as designed, as a USB streamer.
Pete, I think you missed the point that Phil raised; the Z1C supports a UPnP Server (ReadyMedia - an open source DNLA Server that Silent Angel has obviously ported onto VitOS).
In other words, the Z1C is a barebones NAS that will work (somewhat) with Mosaic for UPnP services, like any Synology etc.
Thanks but Z1C does not appear offer network connection to Rossini. I have looked at Silent Angel’s photo of the connections and output is clearly USB and is labelled as such. Which Pino says he does not want.There is only a single network connector which is for nternet. Am I mistaken?
For a NAS to work with Mosaic Control Point & UPnP server, just a single Ethernet connection to the home network is enough.
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If the Rhein model that Pino has works as UPnP NAS. Which from the way he is trying to connect suggests not.
Of course it works Pete, the 2nd Ethernet port on the Rossini is (currently) a bridged port (as long at the Rossini is powered on), which means the Z1C gets an IP address and looks like any other device on the LAN.
If you read the thread you will see that I say that it will work. What I keep saying is that it is NOT SUPPORTED by dCS.
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t (currently) actually work. It just means if it doesn’t, now or in the future, dCS is not going to help fix it 
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Exactly. They may also not enter into advice in how to use it for purposes other than intended. Which is why Phil suggests a network switch instead:
I can assure you that this is the case! the second port of the Rossini works perfectly where I connect the Rhein and from which I regularly read the library.
…also it does mean that ALL network traffic to the Rhein has to go via the Rossini’s streaming board (which isn’t ideal) and the “Loop” port isn’t gigabit capable so anything you copy to it from your computer could take ten times longer than it might otherwise do if a switch was being used.
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yes indeed, not everything works as it should. I am going to connect the z1 to a router, or to change. it seems to me that the Z1 plus now has two network ports and a clock output, perhaps it is also useful for making the most of my external clock.
My 2 cents on the clock effect.
I have a Rossini player with Rossini clock. Approximately two years ago, after getting used to the sound quality of the duo, I noticed that something was not right while playing some tracks, but not all of them. The difference was subtle, but it was definitely there. Less air, less details, something was definitely wrong with … I didn’t know, because some tracks sounded right, some others didn’t.
Then I noticed that there was a separating variable: the clock frequency. Tracks at 44 KHz sounded right, tracks at 48 KHz didn’t. (or the other way around, you get the idea)
I looked at the back of the clock and, surely, the 48 KHz cable had slipped off (meaning I had not connected it firmly).
So yes: the difference is there, it is not night and day, but it was enough to prompt me to investigate the issue.
Worth the cost of the clock (11K) + clock cables (2-6K) + another AC cable (strongly advised - 3-8K) and a precious spot in your stereo rack (YMMV 0 - 5K), but you can take it step by step ? It’s really up to you. I think that a combination of your auditive cortex (that’s where the magic happens) and your pockets will give the right answer for you.
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Hi @pinovisci
If you are using Ethernet or USB as the audio path from the streamer to the Rossini DAC then applying an external clock to the streamer won’t have any relevance as both Ethernet and USB are asynchronous and the playback clock will be generated by the Rossini DAC itself (“M” Master sync) or using the external wordclock (“W” Auto Wordclock) as normal.
I hope that helps
Phil
Ha,I saw that right away and was surprised that there are quite a few users who didn’t know that. It has come up before on this forum. I had to sell my very expensive Shunyata USB cable and buy an even more expensive AES/EBU. My Aurender N20 streamer has a clock input and I bought new Shunyata Omega-X clock cables a week ago. Ridiculously expensive but also ridiculously good.
Hi Phil,
I’m streaming only (upnp/Qobuz) - does it mean a clock makes no sense even for Vivaldi in that case?
Adding a Master Clock to a dCS DAC will improve the long term stability of the clocking in the DAC with a resulting SQ improvement regardless of source. The DAC process itself is always governed by the clock in the DAC, the Master Clock simply ”helps” it stay in time.
However the second benefit of locking the source and DAC clocks to the same master so they can’t drift apart (which can result in clicks or pops) is only realised if the source is connected via a synchronous connection (e.g. AES3 or S/PDIF) and the source offers a suitable clock input.
Note, even if they offer synchronous connections most third party streamers/servers offer no clock synchronisation connectivity or a clock output only.
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