Problems with 192k playback on Bridge

Thanks Paul. That’s just what I wanted. I will listen to it A.S.A.P. but that will have to be tomorrow morning ( my time) as I am shortly leaving for an evening with my Covid support bubble :smile:.

Thanks PAR. This is a splendid service and a great welcome to dCS!

I had exactly the same problem when auditioning a Network Bridge, Paul. It simply refused to output at 192/24 to my active speakers (BeoLab 90) no matter how I toggled the settings: all I got was silence. In contrast, it played normally if I downsampled the files to 96/24, but that rather defeats the point of buying a high-res streaming transport. As I result, I decided not to purchase the Bridge.

Thanks Manxman,

At least I can stop fiddling about with settings! Even with this limitation I’m happy with the purchase - even at 44k it provides great music, let alone 96k. I don’t have many 192k files so it’s not that important at present. That said, the outlay for the Bridge was significant. I have another hifi set up in the house - I was going to try the Bridge out with that set up to see if it was a fault in the Bridge. Thanks to your timely reply you have saved me from that pointless exercise I had planned for this afternoon

Regards,

Paul

Paul, I have checked that file that you gave as an example. I asked for one as there was a possibility that the file on Qobuz was corrupt ( it does occur occasionally). However it played fine at 24/192 via my Vivaldi Upsampler ( the network board is basically similar to that of the 'Bridge so the outcome should also be similar).

Noting that both you and Manxman are using speakers with onboard DACs I can only speculate that the problem may lie there . Both speakers being from Danish manufacturers I wonder if they happen to use the same or similar components in this respect?

I can say that when I had a Network Bridge it played 24/192 files without any issues occuring.

Thank you for going to the trouble of testing this issue. I tend to agree that the Danish connection may hold the answer. I will take it up with Dynaudio and let the forum know the response

On my Network Bridge there is no problem playing this from Qobuz (I use AES out so that might make a difference).

I have in the back of my head something concerning playing high res files to some active speakers just cant remember if it was Dynaudio.

Yes, I’m pretty sure it’s some kind of compatibility problem as well. I tried ringing dCS a couple of times during the fortnight I was testing the Network Bridge, but never got a reply despite the UK not being in lockdown at that point. Geoff Martin, the designer of the BeoLab 90, speculated that the problem might be to do with the Network Bridge’s dual AES capability, which could affect its S/PDIF output due to the electrical similarity between the two connections.

I wonder if that was related to the situation up until fairly recently when many active speakers with DSP functions could only accept 16/44.1 or 16/48 resolution?

It might be but there are also circumstances when a Focus XD seems to only accept 24/96. I dont know if @Pumpexch have put in the details of how it is connected?

I dont think that the dual AES is a problem in this case as the S/PDIF out (the connector next to the AES) dont have anything to do with the AES output it only is affected by the downsampling settings in Mosaic and that is different settings for AES and S/PDIF…

SPDIF digital output The SPDIF output on an RCA connector (C) carries SPDIF data for output rates at 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4 or 192kS/s or DSD/64 in DoP format, even if Dual AES mode is On. The maximum output rate is set by the Mosaic Control’s SETTINGS > DEVICE > SPDIF Downsampling section

All Network Bridges have all outputs (including SPDIF) tested at 192k, so we are confident that every unit is generating the correct output. It wouldn’t leave production if that wasn’t the case. Something of note however is that 192k is pushing the limits of SPDIF’s capabilities as an interface (from memory, the SPDIF interface is actually only rated to 48k), so factors like cable quality and length really come into play at higher rates – with more expensive not necessarily meaning better. If you have another, preferably short, SPDIF cable that can be substituted in between Network Bridge and the Dynaudio system, does this cause any change?

As @octaviars has mentioned above, it would also be very good to know whether the Network Bridge is connected directly to the Dynaudio or whether it goes into the Xeo hub?

I should also note that the AES and SPDIF outputs are completely separate – one does not have any impact on the other. They are independently generated and buffered.

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Thanks James. The Bridge is wired directly into the master speaker via SPDIF which then is cabled to the slave. I will try a shorter lead

Paul, reading the user manual for the Focus 30 it says that the digital input connector is specified as cinch. That is a synonym for RCA or phono connector. Network Bridge uses a BNC connector. So your digital cable is BNC/RCA, correct?

BNC/RCA cables are not generally available as stock items so is your cable custom built or are you using an adaptor at one end? Adaptors can cause unpredictable problems and may be the cause of your issue.

Pete, I’m guessing you’re thinking of the SDIF-2 ports which are BNC. The Network Bridge has an RCA S/PDIF port next to the Dual AES port.

Yes :blush:. As I mentioned earlier I am a bit rusty on Network Bridge after a year of it out of my possession.

Good news! I followed James Cook’s suggestion and replaced the 3m cable with a 1 metre Chord RCA. It works! All the break-up has gone. It sounds superb on the 192k on Mahler 6 with Sir Simon Rattle and the Berlin Phil

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Good to hear that :slightly_smiling_face:

192k on S/PDIF over longer cables can be a bit troublesome.

I am using 1m Chord cables - decent but pretty basic. Is there much to be gained by being more ambitious and can anyone recommend some (I actually only need one) and some idea of price