Hi. These three SACDs are all out of print, and/or very expensive:
Isaac Hayes: Hot Buttered Soul SACD
Peter Gabriel: Security SACD
The Police: Ghost in the Machine SACD
Does anyone have them and if so, would you be interested in some arrangement, like, for example:
(a) I buy them from you
(b) I buy them and sell them back to you at some price less than the purchase price
(c) I borrow them for a week
(d) Other?
Thank you!
That’s the one where I hear surface noice from the LP. I listen through HD800S so they are of course quite revealing…
I you want to try the Beulah version, try searching for the orchestra (Royal Philharmonic Orchestra) or do it like Pete suggested.
On the Beullah version you get two concertos played by Nathan Milstein as a bonus - which is not bad!
using a major recording orchestra with many decades of history as a search term is pretty wide as they have made hundreds of records and a search should provide hundreds of matches. Even worse is that many search engines will try a match with each of the terms just to be helpful; Royal, Philharmonic and Orchestra. For example Qobuz search gives matches for Royal Liverpool Philharmonic, Royal Stockholm Philharmonic, Philharmonique Royal de Liege etc. too. Best to try a more narrow choice such as a solo artist name.
Incidentally Qobuz UK will find the Beulah recording if searched with Alfredo Campoli.
This is both fascinating and infuriating.
So, as far as I can see there are three releases on Qobuz that contain the 1962 Campoli/RPO/Pritchard recording:
Beulah:
G.O.P. (never realised they had a music label!)
Sunday Club Records:
Counting soloist, orchestra and conductor the Beulah version contains six searchable performers in total: Alfredo Campoli, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, John Pritchard, plus Nathan Milstein, Philharmonia Orchestra, Leon Barzin (for the coupled Mendelssohn and Bruch Concertos).
Searching directly in Qobuz:
Now there is no coupling on the Sunday club release and the G.O.P. couples the Beethoven Concerto with two Beethoven Romances played by Max Rostal (also accompanied by the RPO under Pritchard) so one would not expect “Milstein”, “Philharmonia” or “Barzin” to bring up either of these recordings. But they should all, in theory, find the Beulah.
However searching Qobuz via Roon, none of these search terms return the Beulah. The rub here is that I need to play via Roon in order to use my new room correction filter, so the SQ benefits very significantly outweigh the costs.
I am going to open a ticket with Roon. Many thanks @Zyberguran & @PAR for your help with the detective work here!
So despite the aforementioned audio cannock chase, yesterday evening ended in major (F major to be precise) winding down to this great recording of some absolutely beautiful music.
I ‘dug out’ one my favourites, which I haven’t listened to for a while…
Very distinctive baritone sax (on most tracks).
Frustrating isn’t it? However just to remind that Qobuz has a different database for each country that it serves. So finds or lack thereof cannot necessarily be applied internationally.
I guess that most search engines have idiosyncrasies anyway so I often need to try various terms. Differing national spellings confuses further.
I wonder which connection Roon makes? As you can’t buy downloads via Roon the territorial restrictions may not apply but I don’t know.
It is also necessary to consider the provenance of the issue. Campoli recordings are (mostly, all?) now out of copyright protection. So it is possible for licensed issues to be made from original tapes but others may be cleaned up needle drops as there are some labels specialising in public domain recordings that do such things. Unfortunately such technical information is hard to come by.
That may explain it. Let’s see if anyone at Roon comments the ticket I opened.
Interesting. My understanding is that for the UK (relevant jurisdiction in this case) the rule was 50 years from release until 1 January 2013 when it was increased to 70 years from release in line with an EU ruling. For unreleased works the rule since that same date is 70 years from recording.
Since this recording was indeed released before 2013 (I will check the copyright date on my father’s LP copy but my guess is 1962 or 1963, it predates me in any case!) it would have been subject to the 50 year rule and copyright would have ceased sometime around 2012. I believe Campoli’s last recording was made in 1973 and since that was subsequently released prior to 2013 copyright on that has now expired too. But anything recorded after 1953 but as yet unreleased would potentially still be protected.
So much good stuff on ECM…
Agreed. Amazing label
