Varese vs Vivaldi

Hi Pete,
Based on prior threads, I can assure you I was joking on this : )

However, I do agree with the entire rest of your post.

Sincerely,
R

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But why would I ever need to?

If I want to listen to something, I will buy the CD or LP.

If physical media isn’t available, I don’t bother.

of course if you prefer physical media, then go for it. I found streaming SQ wise superior nowadays.

I don’t really know why some are so against streaming these day’s.
Even without trying it, some are so set against it.
The reality is these day’s is really, there’s no need for anything else.
Qobuz is what i use, and as been stated , offers many different versions of the same track or album.
I still have a cd transport, turntable, even tape machines. But streaming provides me with a limitless amount of music at my fingertips.
It’s absolutely fantastic for finding new music, trying new music, etc. The complete opposite to cd, vinyl, and tape.

I still buy music. If i find that i really like an album i will buy it, but it completely saves me wasting my money on music that i hope i might like, and end up only playing a few times.

If you have a dCS dac that has the streamer board in it, then it will cost nothing to try out Qobuz. So what have you got to lose?

Also i have found that my streamer has either beaten my ripped music or at worse matched it, and that already was better than using a cd player.
But after all that it’s nice to have options, and sometimes the physical thing in your hand. But my main listening is from streaming these days, i would say 90% as its just so good, convenient, and massive choice.

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I did the same. I wonder how many downloads of this have occurred from this post. Good advertising! dCS should get a cut.

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I don’t stream movies, either - I watch from disc.

I don’t want to have to rely upon a network to listen to something, and even Qobuz processes audio on their end, largely to normalize volume levels to EBU R 128 specs; I have a volume control so I don’t need that.

Qobuz might offer versions, but do they promise those versions will be available long term?

If the record company did a George Lucas and wanted all prior releases removed, would they?

That won’t happen with my physical media.

It won’t happen either with downloads bought from Qobuz. They are yours.

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Wow I just gave this recording a careful listen. This is my favorite violin concerto and I thought I had heard the very best recordings. This one is amazing…so incredibly effortless.

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Then you may also like my father’s favourite, with Alfredo Campoli.

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You are obviously free to do whatever you want, but you really look to be sticking your head in the sand on this, and looking for reasons not to just try it. Plus most of your reasons are just not real these day’s, especially if you try qobuz.
I just feel you are missing out on so much music that you will never find and enjoy. Which is a shame.

I don’t think that’s the case.

Not streaming isn’t going to change how I interact with music or how I find new music.

For example, if you’re the type of person that streams music and allows the streaming service to throw in songs you might like, that’s one thing; I don’t want to hear anything I haven’t specifically asked it to play.

Again, it’s also true in the past that content people have purchased has gone away, irretrievably, unless you saved off a copy yourself.

If you want to stream, that’s fine - I just don’t see a compelling interest in it and to trust that the Internet will never have bandwidth issues.

I know I’m an outlier - I rarely use Mosaic, either except to switch inputs on my Rossini APEX.

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Again missing the point really and making up reasons not to like something.
At the moment the only real way you get to try new music is buy it and hope you like it.
Plus finding new music that you will probably like is very difficult.

Anyone streaming can as you say try what qobuz says you might like.
You can also just go looking yourself, and even try music that you see pop up on forum’s etc.
I have certainly found more music on qobuz that i would never have found or listened too, and that just keeps on happening day after day.
There is certainly nothing not to like about that, plus i would soon get a bit bored listening to the same albums all the time, and even if i bought a few new albums each week.
But as said you can do exactly what you want, but as said i do think you are missing out a lot.

Cheers dunc

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Couldn’t agree more. Qobuz, Tidal, digitizing my 1600 CD’s, and Roon have changed my life. Hate to admit this, but I haven’t spun a CD on my Wadia 270se transport in long, long time. Many of my favorite artist and discs have come from surfing and suggestions.

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Can anyone confirm this? I’m unable to tell the difference between a streamed version of a recording on Qobuz and a digital download of the same recording. They appear to be identical to my ears.

Wow another winner. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Amazing.

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They do not. As I understand it, Qobuz streams includes ReplayGain metadata to enable the playback end-point to normalise volume if the user so desires. Source masters are not normalised.

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I am a hard media guy and primarily listen to vinyl and cds. I have a local server and quobuz and use them for convenience as well as to compliment research new music but for me the hard media is king. I dont feel a need to justify it. Its my preference.

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Hi folks,

Might I suggest that we move the streaming vs disc playback to a new thread? The majority of this thread has gone away from the original Varèse vs Vivaldi topic, so perhaps a new thread is a better place for this discussion. Thanks! :slight_smile:

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