Hello everybody! I’m sorry if there has been such a topic before. I know there are people on the forum who have bought Rossini transport to the Vivaldi system. What advantages besides saving money have you found in this? If I’m not mistaken, Rossini transport have an upsampling function, unlike Vivaldi SACD, which requires a separate upsampler, which I don’t plan on. They have the same transport mechanisms themselves. Maybe there is no point in a Vivaldi transort in such a situation? What are your thoughts? Thank you in advance for your help!
Welcome to the forum. In the simplest view… The rossini is the compact solution accomplishing a similar endpoint. It would be the equivalent to purchasing a receiver or integrated amplifier rather than independent components of similar quality from the same company. The overall function is comparable ( not the same). If you want the best performance you select the separates with each function isolated. If you are less discriminating you select the more compact version providing less performance but still outstanding performance.
To quote @barryr1, " outstanding performance". Yes (IMO), - it is what I use with Vivaldi.
You are incorrect. Vivaldi transport does upsample. Note that the current Vivaldi Transport is mk.2. This is even more similar to Rossini in that both now use the same Denon/Marantz transport mechanism.
A major difference between upsampling in the transport and via Vivaldi Upsampler is that Upsampler offers a wider range of upsampling choices. Upsampler also contains the streaming board, a feature that is not available in Vivaldi DAC unlike the other dCS lines.
Does upsampling give an advantage? You get bigger numbers if you find that comforting, However you will have to make up your own mind as to any sonic improvement or any sonic degradation.
Yes, I made a mistake with upsampling. Vivaldi Transport does this. Their mechanisms are now the same D&M. Streaming I have a separate Aurender N30 source. Therefore, I was interested in opinions, then why would I need Vivaldi SACD). There may be a difference with Rossini SACD in your more advanced software. But how noticeable will it be… I think by 10% at most…
Welcome Gabuli, I assume you own the Vivaldi DAC and that you still like to spin CD and SACD.
To buy new, the Rossini works well as Pete can attest and you save money compared to the Vivaldi. There is a difference in looks and in construction, perhaps also some sound quality but I haven’t compared and I guess not many people have.
If you don’t mind secondhand Vivaldi transports are offered from time to time. I’m actually thinking about parting with mine (MKI) because I don’t spin discs as much anymore.
Isn’t there a slight problem when you use the rossini transport with the vivaldi dac?
As dont they use a different language to communicate to each other and this means certain things dont work as they should?
Which ones, for example?
Not sure but sure i read on here about it.
As you have to tell the vivaldi stack when a vivaldi transport is added.
Hopefully someone will pop up with the correct answers to it all
As a complete system, the Vivaldi stack communicates with an RS232 cable. The upsampler is then the control hub of the system, so you can also control it via Mosaic. This bit of functionality might be lost if using Rossini, @PAR could tell us?
Any case I use the Vivaldi DAC with the transport so far without having the upsampler and this works great. Select the right input on the DAC and off you go. It’s not that hard once everything is configured.
The issue of mixing the two is that Mosaic only recognises the streaming board and the devices it serves that are connected via RS232 . So as Vivaldi streaming board lives in Vivaldi upsampler only Vivaldi units are available in the control area of Mosaic. Rossini Transport is not recognised by the Vivaldi streaming board even if connected.
This is of limited negative outcome in practice as Vivaldi IR remote (the plank) is universal so it controls the Rossini CD/SACD transport in normal use. Of course the plank is included with Vivaldi DAC.
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I think this discussion ( a summary between @PAR and @James ) from a few years back may answer your question:
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dCS acts as if they’re the only digital game in town. I found myself considering upgrading my Rossini APEX DAC and Rossini Clock to the next level, including a CD/SACD player. Vivaldi is the logical upgrade choice but at $140,000 for a 4 box Vivaldi setup, it doesn’t make any sense economically.
While dCS continues to increase prices year after year, there are some newer digital equipment providers that have impressive reviews at prices us dCS owners would consider a bargain. If dCS’ technology is that expensive to produce, it may be time to consider alternative designs.
dCS’ latest DAC streamer is £13,500.
I don’t think dCS ‘act’ in that way Brian. If you like their products and want to stay within the dCS ecosystem then yes, currently Vivaldi is the logical step up from your Rossini. You’re free to consider other products or wait for any new products from dCS. If a certain outlay to get to the better model no longer makes any more sense to you financially that is perfectly sensible. I tend to agree although I myself never buy new which is why I do have a secondhand Vivaldi.
I agree with you that there have been a lot of price increases over the years, but this has happened in a lot of the high-end market. Can’t say I like it but this is the reality of inflation and production of high end products in the UK as opposed to mass-market, off the shelf production of other products in less expensive countries. And Vivaldi is ultimately four boxes if you also want to spin discs. I count myself lucky to own some nice equipment to listen to music, and I think it’s good to compare once in a while and see where the developments are going.
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