Hello! …. and a question about mains voltage

Hello everyone, I have just registered here, having recently bought a Bartok Apex. Needless to say, I am delighted with it.

And I also have a question, about how best to deal with high mains voltage, which I might as well go ahead and ask right now. I am UK-based. As some of you will know, mains voltage here is 230V with -6% / +10% tolerance — so potentially (pun intended) up to 253V. By chance, having recently disconnected, moved and reconnected my hifi system (to allow for installation of a dedicated mains circuit), I noticed that the amplifiers in my ATC SCM50 active loudspeakers are humming slightly. Quite faintly — I need to either lean over the ’speakers or kneel behind them to hear it clearly — but it is always present. It turns out that, over several days, our mains voltage has ranged between 244 and 251V. So I then tried switching to our backup supply (solar PV + batteries), which runs at precisely 230V when fully disconnected from the mains. No hum at all.

Now, I accept that this is not conclusive proof that the hum is due to the mains voltage being appreciably higher than 230V. It’s entirely possible that it is being caused by something else, such as DC offset (which might plausibly not have been present when I was powering the system from solar panels via the inverter). Nonetheless, it seems to me conceivable that mains voltage above 244V could be causing the power amps’ transformers to saturate and, as a consequence, hum slightly (I intend calling ATC to ask if this might be so).

So I would be very interested to hear about any forms of power optimisation that includes voltage regulation being used in conjunction with dCS equipment.

(There are several good threads here about power conditioning in general that I have read with interest, but I am asking more specifically about devices whose capabilities include voltage regulation.)

I might add that I have always been rather sceptical (perhaps naively so) about mains power conditioners and regenerators — unless there is an identifiable problem, and humming power amps may qualify, I think. There is clearly a range of options that I might explore, including Torus and PS Audio products (noting what dCS recommend concerning power regeneration; I could, if necessary, use some form of regulation on the ‘speakers only), but there are also voltage optimisation solutions that are not specifically hifi-oriented. I have also posted a similar question on a Linn forum, and did receive a couple of useful suggestions about such devices — but I’d particularly like to hear about experiences with dCS products, too, hence my post here. I will also speak to the power distribution company, but they may decline to do anything so long as the voltage is within tolerance (which it is, just).

Any thoughts or experiences that you could share would be appreciated.

Andrew

Hi Andrew and welcome. In fact a double welcome from me as it is great to hear from another ATC 50 active owner.

The actual UK mean voltage is and always has been 240V. 230V is quoted as this was a paper exercise adopted by EU member states when we were part of it. Basically the UK and Ireland have 240V systems and the other states 220V. By stating a 230V standard with the quoted tolerances allowed all states to specify 230V without actually doing anything material.

In fact I know that both dCS and ATC are well aware that their UK units are powered from 240V supplies. So there is no concern whatsoever that your new supply is 244V. Feel free to check with them if you like.

So, DC offset is the most likely cause IMO.

Power regulators may work but my experience has been that some cam affect the resultant sound otherwise such as restriction of dynamics. All I have tried here sound great for the first few days until I become used to them when I notice these types of issue. It may just be the brands I tried and I expect that others may be worthwhile if suitable for the power drawn by the ATC tri-amplifiers.However I would not buy without a home trial for a few days. Also look at the rear pages of your dCS user manual and your warranty. This specifically refers to types of voltage regulators which may invalidate it. Please take the time to read it.

In the first pages of my Rossini DAC manual it says (page 7) :

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Thank you for both the welcome and the thoughtful reply. Nice to hear from another ATC customer!

What you say about UK mains voltage is quite correct. In fact, I gather that the average voltage across the country is still something like 242V. If I understand correctly, all that actually happened (in 1993?), when it was harmonised with the EU, was that the upwards tolerance was increased to 10% – nothing physically changed.

And, yes, I understand the point about what dCS recommend (that’s what I was alluding to when I mentioned their recommendation concerning power regeneration). You are quite right to mention it, though. You may well be right about DC offset, too. I did wonder whether that was an alternative explanation. I spoke to ATC earlier today (after I posted this morning). The fellow I spoke to could not have been more helpful – and said that the high(ish) voltage per se should not cause the amps to hum, whereas some form of distortion of the mains AC waveform could.

Fortunately, our electrician (who is excellent) is willing to help with this, and has a couple of mains quality analysers which may yield some useful data. So that is the next step, after which we may have a better idea of what type of mains conditioning or treatment might help (although I remain sceptical, and would not buy anything without an extensive home test first, as you suggest). I have, by the way, also tried turning off absolutely everything else in the house, with all other RCDs, RCBOs and MCBs in the consumer units turned off. So I can be fairly confident that the problem is with the incoming mains.

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Hi Erno, thanks for taking the time to post that. It’s an important point to be aware of, for sure.

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