“Was” is the correct statement, as it isn’t on the market anymore, since several years.
The One is even more niche than the Vivaldi stack itself, I hope this won’t imply dCS deciding it won’t be worth upgrading being its owners base so tiny (300 total units around?). That would be a major letdown.
I very much doubt that would be the case…
I think you can be sure that Vivaldi and Vivaldi One will follow in due time. As will Lina. I can wait for a bit, it’s a free upgrade update!
It’s not like the vivaldi is broken and waiting for a fix, a bit off patience is all that’s needed.
Or look at it this way, we get it all working right as others have been the guinea pigs. But I am also very much looking forward to how my vivaldi stack will sound once upgrade is on.
Cheers dunc
Doesn’t really matter to me as I don’t own one but, with the new x 4 DSD upsampling, and if you have a full vivaldi stack, will the transport also get the 4 x DSD upgrade or will you have to run it through the upsampler now to get the 4 x DSD on red book CD’s
….. that impact sound quality
For me, this is the biggest statement of the entire thread!
I may be getting ahead of myself, however usually something that impacts sound quality tends to do so in a positive way
I’m getting excited!
First impressions by an user who posted on the public forum (thread got locked then) seem promising.
In my opinion, implementing upsampling to DSDx4 in the Vivaldi upsampler will require hardware changes, as Dual-AES won’t transfer such high frequencies and amounts of data to the Vivaldi DAC. This is, of course, just speculation.
Well beyond my pay grade however isn’t it possible this could be accomplished within the Vivaldi DAC, and not within the Upsampler, just like it is done with Rossini and Bartok?
Vivaldi has the same APEX Ring DAC board as those two, with the same substantial capabilities of compute/processing power.
If Rossini and Bartok are capable of doing DXD4 internally I would speculate Vivaldi may be capable of the same?
Yes, there are hardware possibilities, but as you know, in Rossini and Bartok both boards (converter and upsampler) are in one housing and communicate directly. However, the Upsampler and DAC in Vivaldi devices are separated into separate housings. After upsampling, the signal from the upsampler is sent via Dual-AES cables to the converter, which may be a bottleneck.
I am sure dCS would have mentioned this if it is say an issue like you are saying it might be.
dCS have stated that the same will be coming for the Vivaldi and Lina range very soon, they didn’t say that it wouldn’t include the x 4 DSD on the Vivaldi, and I am sure they would have mentioned it as it is a very big and important bit of the upgrade.
Cheers dunc
Also while I am here, I am glad to see that the running thread on “ what’s best forum” has been taken down. You know who you are, as do I, and that you signed the agreement, but decided to go ahead anyway. Well just so you know it was me that posted the agreement bit up and got it removed.
The only good bit was you liked it, but still naughty.
No 1st impression from our beta tester ?
Interesting programme James and good luck with it. The only thing that matters is that the music sounds better to the listener. The rest of the self-laudatory guff and nitpicking being posted here seems to be some people posturing as experts - when they clearly aren’t - in an attempt to jockey for position in their imaginary league of credibility on these threads.
There will be no first impressions until the actual update is issued. If you care to read the rest of the thread you will see that testers are subject to an NDA.
Ok, thanks for clarification.
One question which always puzzled me.
You put Expanse on the Bartok with headphones output, that makes sense obviously. You don’t put it on the DAC-only model, then you put it in the Rossini, but not in the Vivaldi.
This puzzles me. I guess most of the users are loudspeakers-based, but there are many headphones users around as well, and as you offer Expanse on the Rossini I guess you’re well aware of this. My Zähl headphones amp does offer some sort of crossfeed, still I’d be curious to try dCS’s approach.
I agree on this point, I would roll out Expanse to all models if possible.
