Different sources/systems for different moods?

Has anyone purposefully chosen sources that provide a different feeling across vinyl, CD, streaming? Perhaps you have a second system that feels different to the other?

Just interested in how other people are building their systems. My system has something ridiculous like 14 boxes (it’s not even Naim!). Following a general clear out the other day, I was faced looking at my system and really felt like I needed to simplify and declutter, so I am scoping out options to get me down to a single 4 shelf system. That’s when the difficult questions start about how willing I am to give up some equipment choices for the sake of minimum boxes. At the moment I quite like the idea of getting something different from vinyl, streaming, and CD sources. A Rossini player would combine streaming and CD for maximum compactness, but I also quite like the idea of maybe an Audio Note CD player for a totally different vibe. Record player will be Rega P10 and Lyra Delos, ideally into an integrated with an MC stage, but maybe a half-width phono would also work, sat alongside the TT power supply. Am I alone?

Hi Oliver,

You’re not alone! I wrestled with that issue for quite a few years. Here is where I landed and how and why I think I landed there.

Firstly, I’m a child of the 60s, I grew up on vinyl. Punk was my musical awakening and I was deeply into new wave. Then at uni I discovered Stax soul, the indy scene, reggae and world music like Ethiopian Jazz. All of that was bought on vinyl and that core vinyl collection (maybe 500-or-so albums) is pretty much my “musical DNA”. I could never part with them and a means to play them will always be part of my life.

As I started to upgrade from my humble student room system I stayed with vinyl as I just couldn’t make friends with the sound of early digital. Although I tried a number of early CD players and DACs it was when I graduated to my first dCS system, an Elgar 4-box stack in 2002, that I seriously made friends with digital and started seriously buying CDs.

100-or-so discs had become about 1600 by the time I moved to Sweden in 2006 but being a technophile I had seen the writing on the wall, which at the time said “computer audio”. I sold the dCS Verdi in the move and have never owned a disc transport since. Over the next few years I ripped about half of those CDs to FLAC and still have them sitting on a NAS. Streaming was obvious to me and I was in there from the very start, first with a Sonos feeding the big-rig via various jitter-busting boxes (which looked pretty silly) and then with various Squeezeboxes, Transporters etc. as streaming technology evolved. The evolution of my digital system culminated in me stepping back into dCS ownership with the purchase of a dCS Bartók, which I later upgraded to a Vivaldi short stack (if you haven’t followed the story it wasn’t until after that that I started working here).

I gave up ripping the CDs when their availability on streaming services overtook the snail-like pace of my ripping project (probably around 2010?) and put them all into storage where they sit to this day. I keep them as a “back up” in case the streaming services radically change their pricing models or the repertoire becomes as fragmented as the video streaming services have. I have no plans to get rid of them as most of them are pretty much worthless anyway.

In parallel with all of this I had fallen down the vinyl rabbit hole. I had graduated to an esoteric high-end turntable that looked like a (strangely beautiful) oil rig and started buying audiophile pressings of all sorts of discs (very often ones I already owned at least one edition of on CD and which were also available to stream in hi resolution). I had record cleaning machines and flattening machines and de-statifying machines, you name it.

But my digital sound quality had been steadily increasing and when I upgraded to the Vivaldi my digital was at least on a par with my vinyl with none of that medium’s disadvantages and all the advantages of fingertip convenience, a complete absence of sanitary rituals and almost unlimited repertoire. That made me realize that the only vinyl I had any real emotional attachment to was my “original” collection, pretty much acquired by the time I was 25. All the aforementioned genres, all original pressings and most of the contemporary ones bought upon their original release. I wasn’t even playing most of the “audiophile” stuff for my own enjoyment, only a small handful of discs when my audiophile friends came round. So a few years ago I made the momentous decision to sell all of that later stuff (some of which had become quite sought after and increased in value which was nice) and trade in my oil rig for a Technics 1200G.

When my father passed last year I even surprised myself and took the decision not to inherit his enormous vinyl collection (which I would never have had the space to house anyway), something I had been subconsciously anticipating most of my life. I realized that although there was much music that I loved and had grown up with, it was almost all (at least that which is important to me) available via streaming services and those physical LPs, in their sleeves, the physical manifestation of that music, just didn’t mean to me what it had meant to him. I was lucky enough to be able to sell the entire collection as one lot to a friend of his who will treasure it and has the space to house it and the time to categorize, file and enjoy it. I kept one disc, the very first one he ever bought, as a physical manifestation of the love of music and hifi that I inherited from him.

So now I am clear:

  • Streaming is my number 1 source and the system is optimized around it, in other words that’s where I have focussed the budget. A corollary of that in my case is that I have no preamp, and the Vivaldi drives my power amp directly.
  • I keep my records and play them occasionally when I am feeling nostalgic. Mostly when I’m alone or with old friends from that period of my life. Friends who lived them with me. Sound quality is not the overarching priority there, many of them have been played to death anyway. But every crease or stain on the sleeves holds a memory. That pokey little flat where I lived, that party, that girlfriend, that break-up… They really form the sound-track of the first third of my life.
  • The Technics is currently connected via a phono ADC to the Vivaldi, although I will probably move it to a second system, maybe at our summer cottage, along with those records which are taking up too much space in my listening, ahem, living-room. That will sit in a small system with a nice integrated phono amp, some high quality bookshelf speakers and my Bartók or similar streamer/DAC.

It took a lot of soul-searching and a lot of reversing out of cul-de-sacs for me to get to this point. I hope it gives you some food for thought.

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Wow! Thank you for such a beautifully considered reply!

I barely ever play CDs nowadays, in part because my player is unreliable and also because my streaming front end is better in a number of ways. The CD player does flow a fraction better though, which for the more sonorous music, is a better match than the streamer, which is optimised for my primary concern of ‘boogie’!

The idea of CDs being a bigger part again has come up, in part, because they played such a fundamental part of my youth. My nieces are of an age where music is really important for them now, but they are native to the streaming age and reliant on the phone for it. I don’t want to encourage phone use, so I intend to sort them out with small systems that include CD playback and then gift them with some of the foundational CDs from my life, as well as my favourite albums from each year that they have been born.

I only got into vinyl about 12 years ago, so have a relatively modest collection. I have bought the handful of records that I can recall from growing up but mostly it is newer stuff for albums that I really like and want to support the artist. Getting the Lyra cartridge made a big difference and now means that, even fitted to a Rega RP3, it is my favourite source. The convenience of streaming means that records rarely get played though. The tangibility of the vinyl sound, and the audiophile nervousa, is what’s stopping me just going straight to digital active speakers.

I need to experience some more systems to work out where to go.

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Hi Oliver. I am unsure how to comment on your idea of changing systems according to mood. To me it sounds like you may ned to own several permutations of equipment;several different loudspeakers, numerous amps and different front end equipment to fit how you feel at any moment.

I can comment on one item that you are thinking of. Rega P10 and Lyra Delos. Unfortunately this combination is incompatible. Like most truly high end cartridges the stylus has a microridge ( or fineline) profile. These stylii need to be correctly aligned to provide the sound that you have paid for. Alignment means adjustability of the pickup arm. However Rega arms are unable to alter height meaning that correct VTA ( vertical tracking angle) cannot be set except by serendipity. Therefore Rega builds its own cartridges with a record surface to cartridge body distance that will set the correct angle on a Rega turntable. This distance is not met by most other brands ( from memory it is 14mm but you may want to check on this).

You should be thinking of a Rega model like Apheta 3 with P10. Or ,switching to MM, Ortofon have introduced a special range of 2M models specifically for Regas with the correct record surface to body distance.

BTW the Rega Aria phonostage is really excellent according to my friend who uses it in an Apheta 3/P8 setup. It is also a small box as you wish.

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I am definitely in the same camp. Vivaldi stack ( no Vivaldi transport), thales turntable, philips reel 2 reel, sony elcaset, melco, and a cd transport.

I could easily just have my vivaldi 3 piece stack and be more than happy but, I do love how my turntable sounds as it sounds different to the digital, but even so it doesn’t get used as much as it probably deserves. I love the look and the sound of the reel to reel, it’s definitely the best sounding source if you have the right tapes to play on it.

That really leaves me there right now, the cd transport and elcaset, I could get rid off now and not miss them at all. But the others I would miss, so that means they stay and that also means I need a pre amp, in my case a vitus sia030 integrated amp.

As for a rega turntable, been there and it’s a great turntable, had a few different ones right up to a P10. But as Pete said, if you want to start swapping cartridges then a rega isn’t really the one to get, unless youare swapping rega cartridge’s, I know as been there, and that’s why I no longer have a rega.

Interesting topic and one that I struggle with as well. While my system is nowhere near as complex as many here, I do run two systems - one in our living space (Bartok + AHB2) and the other in my luthier shop (RME+Bryston).

My main system obviously sounds better. Since the studio and living space are next to one another, I’m considering swapping out my AHB2 with an Accuphase amp that has A,B speaker selections. Suddenly 2 systems become one.

I swore off physical media ages ago, ripped all CDs and kept a few hundred records. (I just can’t seem to part with my turntable).

I am having a bit of an allergic reaction to relying on an iDevice to select, stream and control music playback. I jump around way too much and wind up getting distracted with other things on the iPad. I often find myself grabbing a record because I know it slows me down and I’ll listen all the way through.

Guess I need to train myself to be more disciplined with streaming!

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Staying away from the phone is another reason why I am keen for CD and vinyl to stay.

Andrew’s post about the Vienna show in another thread has me contemplating a trip over. Obviously not a good environment for serious evaluation but I like the idea of getting a taste of a lot of things I have mostly just read about. Might find something that surprises me. Mustn’t be too tempted to write things off though. I have heard stuff sound bad at shows that I have heard sound great in another environment.

Turns out the show clashes with my friend’s 40th birthday party, so that’s the decision made. Whittlebury this weekend looks to have some interesting kit though.

Some of my colleagues (Ady and Ross on Saturday, Will on Sunday) will be there. If anyone’s going please stop by and say hi!

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