Auralic G1.1 Streamer into dCS Purcell

I have a legacy Purcell connected by Dual AES to a Delius that I love. I would like to add streaming capability too - I have my eyes open for a used Bartok, but these are still a bit expensive for my shallow pockets :wink:

An Auralic G1.1 Streamer has come up cheaply locally (now the comany has gone), and I’m considering it. However, reviews suggests the G1.1 upsamples all output to 32 bit…I think my Purcell only accepts 24 bit?

Anyone had experience of these 2 products?

Thank you, Richard

Although the Auralic could be connected to your kit using Coax or single AES you may be limited to a maximum of 96KS/s files. I am doubtful of the upsampling to 32 bit information., Few DACs will process this without truncation to 24bit. if that is available. As Auralic have gone it is difficult to check but if correct such a feature may need to be switchable to have practical use. I think it is probably not correct information.

My main concern would be the streamer’s control application. Due to Auralic’s demise it may no longer be available ( nothing is showing in App Store). Even if available it will not be updated.

Changing Purcell/Delius to Bartok would give you a huge improvement in sonics irrespective of other considerations. However if a used one is beyond your means this is of no help.

So its looks like either save up or borrow or wait until another cheaper streamer comes up.

Thanks, yes, there’s not much technical information about - I also find it a bit unlikely and I found a review which suggested it was the Lightening control app which did the upsampling to 32 bit, I really didn’t understand.

but good point on app availability, let me go check!

Thanks again, Richard

I have done a bit of digging and what l understand so far is that Auralic Lightning did not necessarily upsample ( note past tense) but was capable of handing files up to 32/384 I.e a bit of future proofing.

One issue would be that such upsampling on the device running the app would have a big impact on battery life. Anyway it looks like it is now n/a in any case .

Long ago when I got my first Auralic product the controller app was MConnect Control. Later they changed to the Lightning app but Mconnect Control remained an alternative. Mconnect is still available in the Google Play store. Might be an answer to the control problem.

Thanks, and JPlay too. All of the config can be done to its IP address on the local network via a browser too…i continue with my interest

Remember to let us know how you get on.

Of course :blush:

The other obvious option for you is of course dCS’ Network Bridge. While discontinued from Sales, it’s still a supported platform with fully functional Mosaic App.

They appear for sale every now and then. I’d pick it over an Auralic any day, plus it’ll likely have a better re-sale value in the future if you chose to move to the Bartok or Rossini.

Yes, you say the Auralic has come up “cheaply” locally, but you don’t say what “cheaply” is. Nothing wrong with Auralic, my impression is they were good products at their price point and deserving of their popularity. But now the company doesn’t exist any more? We’ve had to release network firmware updates in only the last year-or-so to support Qobuz Connect and Spotify Lossless..

Network Bridges have been fairly stable at about €2.5-3k on the second hand market for a while. There is one on audio-markt.de at the moment for €2.5k. You can call me biased but I agree with Anup, if it were my money I know which way I’d go..

Thanks Andrew and Anupc - Cheaply is not that cheap, CHF 900.-. Given I ultimately want to move to a Bartok one box streaming solution, I’m not sure €2.5k on a Network Bridge is the right step…but since I expect to be able to afford the Bartok late summer, I am also looking at an Auralic Aries Mini as a stop gap to give me streaming ability…at only CHF 99.- :wink:

A nice little piece of equipment for its time. It was my first streamer. I bought it because Auralic offered a free year of Tidal with purchase. The controlling app was MConnect.

If your longer term goal is a Bartók then maybe a Network Bridge is an unnecessary diversion (even if I believe that at €2.5k you wouldn’t lose much, if anything). But my advice would be to assure yourself of the depreciation outlook for Auralic equipment post-bankruptcy before spending any serious amount there. Don’t want to try to catch a falling knife.

Sanity prevailed, I got the Aries Mini to try at minimal cost. I’ll let you know how I get on with it.

Thanks again all, Richard

So I’ve been running the Aries Mini into the Purcell, upsampler into the Delius for a while now and am very impressed. Added a linear PSU and even more impressed. Great streaming quality that almost makes my CD collection redundant!

Now a Network Bridge has come up locally that I am considering - for best sound quality I guess I should run this dual-AES into the Delius directly? Which I don’t really want to do because then I’d lose the upsampling for the toslink from my TV which makes a big difference for TV and Netflix, YouTube, etc.

you think the Bridge will still sound OK via AES (single) into the Purcell and using that to upsampler to the Delius ?

thanks all!

Richard

Richard, yes the dCS Network Bridge doesn’t have a TOSLink input, but with dual AES from the Network Bridge, you gain the ability to stream higher bit-rates into your Purcell - from a local UPnP Server, or from Qobuz for example - which can’t be carried on a single AES.

You’ll have to decide which is more important to you (albeit, you could always add a TOSLink-to-SPDIF adapter for your TV to the Network Bridge).

Thanks - but I think you mean I connect the Bridge via dual-AES to the Delius, not the Purcell, yes?

Does the Bridge upsample it’s output? Off to read the manual I think :wink:

The original idea of Network Bridge was to provide earlier dCS units with expanded connectivity and to provide the playing of file formats not supported by those units. To do this it is necessary to match the incoming file rate to the maximum rate supported by the early dCS DAC. To provide this Network Bridge downsamples not upsamples.

Both Purcell and Delius have dual AES digital inputs which allow <192 kS/s files to be processed. Check the manuals as I think that you need to configure the dual AES facility.

If you connect Network Bridge to Purcell you will still be able to upsample standard rate files received by NB.

Thanks, yes, I read the manual and the Bridge can upsample much higher than my poor old Delius can handle :wink: So I guess best sound quality will be to remove the Purcell, connect Bridge via dual-AES to Delius and get a toslink to SPDIF converter for TV?

thanks all! Richard

No. As I said Network Bridge can downsample, not upsample. Please re-read the manual. The chart of conversion rates is for downsampling.

Set it up connected to Purccell so that standard rate files can be upsampled.

You can connect your TV to Purcell which has a toslink input.and upsample there. As Network Bridge cannot upsample you need this.