A question to Innuos Server owners

I have, it’s awful. For some reason it was only available on iPad. Not iPhone or Android! :astonished_face:

Just to confirm Gregg, the comparison I mean, are Downloaded FLAC 24/192 files, purchased from HDTracks and others, vs a Qobuz stream via Mosaic.

David, I think that your original request said that you do not want a transport with a large screen which Eversolo and the majority of streamers have.

However if you buy one and it is better ( whatever that means) than Bartok i shall be very surprised.

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You can turn it off if you wish.

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Understood

The problem remains - how do you know if the version of “Wish You Were Here” you purchased from HDTracks (and others) is the same as what Qobuz is streaming?

I used to extensively collect records (7k on the shelves). If you look on Discogs at the album “Wish You Were Here” there are literally zillions of versions of this one album. Records issued in different countries, different mastering engineers, etc. etc. If I play you an original UK press with a certain matrix code and then a later US version, you will be shocked at how different they sound.

Now let’s take a digital stream of the same album. What version did the record company give Qobuz? Did they get the original version from 1975 with UK mastering? A 1975 version with the USA mastering? Did they get the 25th anniversary version? 50th anniversary version? A version from the tapes with a DMM mastering? Anniversary remastered version with Waters and Gilmore sitting in the studio?

If you do not know what version Qobuz is streaming, how can you compare it to the version you purchased?

If you want to pursue a test, what you may consider doing is making a playlist of five songs that you can stream from Qobuz, then purchase the same five songs DIRECTLY FROM Qobuz. “Hopefully” this will guarantee the files are the same and an apples to apples comparison.

Stream the songs via Qobuz connect (or Mosaic) and then play your purchased versions back, via Mosaic, from your external hard drive connected to your computer running MinimServer.

I will be curious to what you find.

I asked Innuos support about the SQ improvements in streaming (upnp based LAN) for Zenith NG vs Statement NG. Here is what they answered:

If the Innuos is running UPnP duties only, then there is more quality emphasis on the network transfer stage, and this is a where a network switch would make a bigger difference. We will be expanding our ranges of switches (2026), and will have something suitable to STATEMENT/Next Gen level and this would make a bigger difference to sound quality than a change in the server.
In a UPnP only context on it’s own, I don’t think you would hear much difference between the STATEMENT and the ZENith Next-Gen. The difference becomes a lot more distinct when you use the direct USB audio output, which would be the case when using Sense app or Roon Core and connected out to a USB DAC.

You are absolutely right Gregg :+1:

I have an update on the ‘MinimServer on my Mac’
I managed to set it up. Bartók can see it as a UPnP switched between Qobuz stream on Mosaic, to music stored on my iMac. No difference!
To be honest, I thought there would be, as normally streaming files from a desktop computer, especially over WiFi is not normally ideal??

No problem. I have already purchased one of Pete’s favourites, :laughing: :laughing:“Wish You Were here” so I will report back :+1:

Asking for a friend…Don’t you ever go to bed Gregg? Considering you live in the States, you’re around in the morning and late at night UK times :rofl: :laughing:

If its the mosaic control you don’t like then you can always try qobuz connect, will sound 100% the same as its just a different remote control.

As I am not really sure what you are try to achieve. Better streaming sound, just storage, or a different interface to control it all?

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I know I said that, but at £1280 or less, I may be able to live with it. :laughing: As Dunc says, you can turn the screen off for critical listening.
Just to confirm, it’s the music SQ Stored on the Transport that I’m interested in.
I fully appreciate streaming Qobuz from the Bartók is very, very good

Yes to all three.
I fully appreciate streaming Qobuz from Mosaic is very good. I want a Transport with storage for my purchased 24/96 files and my 16/44 rips. Not a NAS or Mac computer.

Well i am fairly positive that the first one will be no different as in sound quality.

The control will obviously be different and can’t say if it will be better than mosaic or not, but obviously mosaic foes much more than just look after the streaming side.

Storage, well yes it will give you that and I think you can fit 2 if you need more.

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Well if you fo try the eversolo t8 let us know how you find it. I think the storage cards are quite expensive as it only takes one kind

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I would rather go this way then eversolo :wink:

At four and a half grand i would hope so, plus you still need to pay extra for storage the same as the T8. In fact its very much the same as the t8 in how you add storage.

Bet it sounds exactly the same as the t8, going in to the bartok as the bartok does doing its own thing. As we all know the dac is where the magic happens and not the file storage, etc. My many digital sources prove just that.

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Yes Duncan, they are very expensive.

I had a Matrix DAC before I had my First Bartók. Quite a nice piece of kit.
If you look at the HiFi Rose RS130, it looks much the same. Especially the front glass screen.

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I tested my CD player with SPDIF coax out (using it as a transport) vs my Nagra digital bridge with same output. The difference btw. the two is night and day (Nagra plays the CD I ripped, CD player uses exactly that CD). I tested Melco USB vs Innuos USB with same cable- again, night and day difference. So for me, the digital journey starts really at the beginning. I tested too much to say digital sources sound same. I went from optimized ripping, optimized NAS, optimized switch and cables, optimized bridge/transport and then DAC. That reminds me how I was choosing my LP12 upgrade steps: motor, sub, bearing, arm, etc.

Well what ever works for you as they say, but hate that saying “ night and day” :laughing:

I did a test on my mate Vic, stream, stored and cd all the same track, each time he picked a different one as his favourite, take from that what you want, but certainly no night and day differences

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I know you don’t like the term Dunc, but when you’re spending thousands, it’s got to be ‘better’, or it’s not worth doing it.

This morning, I ran a blind test with my Mrs. The Downloaded 24/96 FLAC files from HDTracks, stored on my iMac via WiFi, and Kobuz via Mosaic on Bartók.
3 out of 4 she chose the iMac! :astonished_face: But only just, barely anything in it.

I have an Innuos Stream 3 with an 8 tb SSD and the Innuos USB reclocking board, running Roon, which feeds my Bartok Apex via a Transparent USB cable. I can’t say I hear a difference between streamed vs. stored content, but I do hear a huge improvement over running Roon on my PC and storing downloads on my NAS. Also there’s an even greater improvement over letting the Bartok do the streaming via Mosaic. Two thumbs up to Innuos! So, I think your Melco was a good choice. The fact that you can’t hear a difference between streaming and local likely indicates that you have an excellent network and that your streamer is preserving the timing.

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